{"id":27,"date":"2007-02-07T18:41:46","date_gmt":"2007-02-08T01:41:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/?p=27"},"modified":"2008-08-13T20:18:43","modified_gmt":"2008-08-14T01:18:43","slug":"are-acid-fast-bacteria-gram-positive-or-gram-negative","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/?p=27","title":{"rendered":"Are &#8220;Acid-Fast&#8221; bacteria Gram-positive or Gram-negative?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was wondering what today&#8217;s post ought to be &#8211; but a Google? search that reached the page posed an interesting question and made it easy.<\/p>\n<p>Someone from a Miami, Florida college got to this site after asking Google:<br \/>\n&#8220;Assuming you could stain any cell, would an acid-fast [bacterium] be gram-positive or gram-negative?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, today&#8217;s post will deal with some Microbial Physiology.<\/p>\n<p>The easy answer is, of course, &#8220;<span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"that is, no, it would not be gram-positive or gram-negative\">no<\/span>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p>A <span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"but much longer...\">more useful<\/span> answer, though, is that it depends on what you mean by &#8220;Gram-positive&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>If one takes the &#8220;Assuming you could stain any cell&#8221; part of the question to mean that you&#8217;ve done whatever it takes to get the Crystal Violet\/Iodine into the cell wall, <em>and<\/em> you mean &#8220;will the cell still look purple instead of pink at the end of the Gram Stain process&#8221;, then I&#8217;m pretty sure the answer would be yes, that it would be &#8220;Gram Positive&#8221;.  It actually IS possible to stain &#8220;acid-fast&#8221; bacteria with the Gram stain.  The catch is that it takes 12-24 hours of staining (according to Gram&#8217;s original paper) rather than a minute or so.  This still counts as Gram-positive, though, and in fact the whole <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/Taxonomy\/Browser\/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Undef&amp;id=201174&amp;lvl=3&amp;keep=1&amp;srchmode=1&amp;unlock\" title=\"Link to NCBI Taxonomy Browser entry\">Phylum of <em>Actinobacteria<\/em><\/a> (including the <em>Mycobacterium<\/em> genus) is considered &#8220;<span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"This refers to a property of the microbe's DNA - maybe I should do a post on this.\">High G+C<\/span> Gram-positive&#8221;.  (If the query was for an exam or homework problem, this is <span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"unless you're being tricked and the instructor\/textbook expects the 'neither' answer...\">probably the answer you&#8217;re looking for<\/span>.)<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, if you mean &#8220;does the cell wall structure of an acid-fast bacterium better resemble Gram-positive or Gram-negative bacteria?&#8221;, you can make an argument that instead of a nice simple &#8220;inner membrane surrounded by a thick peptidoglycan-layer cell wall&#8221;, the &#8220;acid-fast&#8221; bacterial cell wall looks more like a complex gram-negative-type cell wall, having multiple layers, with special <span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"called 'Porins'\">proteins that form channels<\/span> through them to let substances in and out of the cell through the otherwise penetration-resistant outer layer, just as Gram-negative bacteria have through their outer membrane.  (On yet another hand, those outer layers are tough like a gram-positive bacterium rather than fragile like a gram-negative bacterium&#8217;s outer membrane, and don&#8217;t dissolve in alcohol.)<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, if you&#8217;re speaking in terms of taxonomy, and by &#8220;Gram-positive&#8221; you mean <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/Taxonomy\/Browser\/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Tree&amp;id=1239&amp;lvl=3&amp;lin=f&amp;keep=1&amp;srchmode=1&amp;unlock\" title=\"Official Gram-Positives\"><em><span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"'Low G+C Gram-Positives\">firmicutes<\/span><\/em><\/a> which, as far as I know at the moment, are really the only class with the simple, officially-gram-positive-type cell wall structures and therefore are usually what is meant when someone says &#8220;Gram-positive&#8221; (someone please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong here), the obvious differences with &#8220;acid-fast&#8221; type cell walls can at least make a good argument that they are &#8220;not &#8216;Gram Positive&#8217; bacteria&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But if you put that on your <span class=\"moreinfo\" title=\"You MIGHT get away with it if it's an essay question and you explain well.\">homework or exam answers<\/span>, don&#8217;t blame me if you get marked wrong&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I actually found a pretty nice illustration on the University of Capetown website showing the differences in cell wall structures <a href=\"http:\/\/web.uct.ac.za\/depts\/mmi\/lsteyn\/cellwall.html\" title=\"Gram-positive, Gram-negative, and 'Mycobacterial' cell wall diagrams\">here<\/a>, which might help.<\/p>\n<p>So, to summarize &#8211; Officially, they&#8217;re either &#8220;neither&#8221; or &#8220;Gram-positive&#8221;.  Unofficially, you can probably argue either way.  Hmmm.  I should try to work in a post on bacterial taxonomy one of these days.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was wondering what today&#8217;s post ought to be &#8211; but a Google? search that reached the page posed an interesting question and made it easy. Someone from a Miami, Florida college got to this site after asking Google: &#8220;Assuming you could stain any cell, would an acid-fast [bacterium] be gram-positive or gram-negative?&#8221; Therefore, today&#8217;s &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/?p=27\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Are &#8220;Acid-Fast&#8221; bacteria Gram-positive or Gram-negative?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,6,5,7,8],"tags":[145,146,143,147,566,144],"class_list":["post-27","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-methods","category-microbiology","category-nerdity","category-science-philosophy","category-why-does-it-work","tag-acid-fast","tag-bacterial-taxonomy","tag-gram-stain","tag-microbial-physiology","tag-microbiology","tag-staining"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=27"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":168,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27\/revisions\/168"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=27"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=27"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.bigroom.org\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=27"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}